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Edinburgh university did a big study on this back in the 1990's I think it was where they took over 2,000 cadavers and performed full autopsies on them with lots of specialists of the various body systems being involved. Only people who had died who had a good set of doctors records were considered for inclusion as the researchers wanted to be able to compare what damage they saw in the body with the drugs the people had been given down the years and to determine if the doctor's diagnosis had been correct.

The upshot of all of this research was that you had roughly a third of a chance of leaving a doctor's offiice with a correct diagnosis and a two thirds chance of leaving with an incorrect diagnosis. Similarly you had roughly a third of a chance of leaving the doctor's office with a drug that might help your condition, whether or not the diagnosis was correct, a third of a chance of leaving with a drug that probably wouldn't harm or help you, and a third of a chance of leaving with a drug that would act to make your problem worse. The situation was even worse with rare diseases where the doctor pretty much had zero chance of getting it right.

The researchers were utterly horrified at these results and so set about producing a simple database which would require the input of around fifteen to twenty answers to basic questions such as age, sex, symptoms etc and based on the data they had they reckoned that database would enable diseases, however exotic they might be, to be diagnosed with around 90% accuracy and the database would also spit out a few tests to carry out where there could be some doubt between the disease possibilities. The British NHS funded this research and many top people in the medical field were involved in the autopsies and in setting up the questions etc.

Of course when this database was then offered to doctors they point blank refused to use it because "Patients want to speak to a person not a machine!" And yet these days the first thing many doctors do is reach for Google to look up symptoms. I don't know about you but I would speak to a frog pretending to be a prince if it could diagnose me three times better than any doctor and provide me with the correct drug and not one that would actively try to kill me. Sadly the foxes are in charge of the medical henhouse in almost all Western countries.

A friend of mine had severe lung problems and she couldn't even walk the 5m from her couch to her kitchen without pausing for a breath halfway. She was on all sorts of pills and she decided to hell with this I just want to die so she stopped taking the pills and waited to die. By the end of the first week after that she was able to walk to the corner shop without pausing for breath. It was the drug interactions that were killing her. She eventually went back on the main drug but refused to take any of the others as she realised that her "doctor" had no clue how these things were interacting with one another despite him insisting that he did. She lived for years after that and it was a few years worth living compared to the state he had gotten her into and then refused to acknowledge it.

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great comment thanks

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I’ve changed my whole lifestyle because of the medical community. They literally told me what I had was old age and that I should learn to live with it. I was 58 at that time. So, I went home even more depressed. Lucky for me I went and got a second opinion with a functional doctor.

I had two tick borne illnesses. One was attacking my white blood cells, and depleting my red. The other was cousin to Lyme disease. This doctor has since passed away of some mysterious progressive disease. They trashed this doctor on his way out. So sad.

I’m staying away from the doctors and trying to heal myself. Down 80 pounds, and started carnivore diet five days ago. Not to lose weight. I’ve already lost and am under my goal weight. I had an IBS flare up and I hear that this way of eating cures the IBS.

I’m terrified of the medical community and I do not trust them.

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This crisis of doctor-caused illness, injury and death should be called just that: "doctor-caused."

Using a fancy term--iatrogenesis--further muddies the waters and hides the problem.

By the way, it's "Grisly," not "Grizzly."

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Yeah the grammatical error has since been brought to my attention. Thanks for the correction

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Health care is not medical care.

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I’m an alternative health care provider for 31 years. Medicine does not look for causation in illness. Most often suppression of symptoms. When they treat causation they do well. Eg gun shot wounds. You know the cause and is often treated heroically and successfully. Look at a weekend in Chicago: 29 shot 3 deaths. Of interest is a few more studies done over the years. One indicated that only 18% of medical mistakes was documented by those making them. That would increase potentially the iatrogenic illness and death times 5. Also as RFK jr is about to point out many iatrogenic illness is not thought to be caused or counted as such. Eg: I have had over 200 autistic children in my practice not one of them has been unvaccinated. Take that for what you will. How many mass shooters are on SSRI’s etc. Health care must be redirected toward Health not disease. Make your patients healthy so they can function well in the world. Between unnecessary medical intervention, to suppressive care that focuses on symptoms not causes of illness, and unfortunately the desired killing of the Malthusian Eugenics crowd you’d be shocked how many deaths are “ medically induced”. For the first time in my life I am cautiously optimistic that change is coming.

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all apologies for the "grizzly" headline error

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Big medicine will always be an epidemic of murdering a thousand to save hundred. Without murder, the medical mafia goes under. If they made more people well, they would lose revenues as healthy people require few medical services. You could also say that dead people require no future medical services and that is why they need a fresh batch of sick and diseased patients to grind into the dust with their witch-doctoring.

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When doctors are on strike, less deaths occur.

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